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		<title>By: Annabelle Lynam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annabelle Lynam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to thank the author for his marvelous efforts. I always enjoy reading such articles which provides knowledge based information. Regards, Annabelle Lynam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to thank the author for his marvelous efforts. I always enjoy reading such articles which provides knowledge based information. Regards, Annabelle Lynam</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew t. Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew t. Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im not a strong christian persay but i pray gods will be done with me wutever he needs. Heaven or hell. He chooses your path in the end so just have faith that no matter wut he puts u where he wants you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im not a strong christian persay but i pray gods will be done with me wutever he needs. Heaven or hell. He chooses your path in the end so just have faith that no matter wut he puts u where he wants you.</p>
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		<title>By: loopzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>loopzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you just got yourself a place in my bookmarks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you just got yourself a place in my bookmarks</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, another good possibility. Good thought. Perhaps the original Greek might help clarify which it might be? I wish I knew Greek; it seems to help a lot with the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, another good possibility. Good thought. Perhaps the original Greek might help clarify which it might be? I wish I knew Greek; it seems to help a lot with the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Blackford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Blackford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing I just thought of, while it&#039;s 2am and I can&#039;t sleep.  Perhaps we are reading the passage incorrectly.  Instead of reading it as a question; &quot;Lord did I not...?&quot; we should instead read it more of a statement.  That changes the reading from this; &quot;Lord, did I not do your will on earth?&quot; to this; &quot;Lord, did I not do YOUR job for you?&quot;  Instead of being an innocent question of rejection and confusion it becomes an arrogant and prideful statement from someone who sees great value and worth in his own works (though, tried passing them off as done in &quot;His name&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing I just thought of, while it&#8217;s 2am and I can&#8217;t sleep.  Perhaps we are reading the passage incorrectly.  Instead of reading it as a question; &#8220;Lord did I not&#8230;?&#8221; we should instead read it more of a statement.  That changes the reading from this; &#8220;Lord, did I not do your will on earth?&#8221; to this; &#8220;Lord, did I not do YOUR job for you?&#8221;  Instead of being an innocent question of rejection and confusion it becomes an arrogant and prideful statement from someone who sees great value and worth in his own works (though, tried passing them off as done in &#8220;His name&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I realize that was not your intent. It is a blessed thing that our faith is not a &quot;to-do&quot; list, but rather a living breathing relationship with God. That is a big part of what separates us from the rest of the world. I know the whole &quot;relationship, not religion&quot; thing has been beaten to death but it&#039;s nonetheless true. 

The whole discussion regarding the casting out of demons and performing miracles is really interesting. I do follow your logic with your four points and I&#039;m inclined to agree. According to my understanding of the Bible, #3 is out of the question. In light of Matthew 12, #1 seems improbable at best, and the example you used only adds to that notion. #2 is pretty straightforward-it is hard to imagine any scenario in which someone would try and lie to God&#039;s face. I am initially hesitant to accept the fact that an unbeliever could exercise a miracle through the power of God, Him being their enemy, but I suppose it&#039;s not out of the question. I also think that what Chris said in 1b helped to see it from a different angle: what&#039;s stopping God from using nonbelievers to accomplish His will? Nothing, of course. That doesn&#039;t mean that we understand it but then again, how much of what God does do we understand anyway? This may be one of those things, like you said, that will have to wait until we see Him face to face. 

I appreciate the fact, with all the unfortunate bickering in the Christian community, that we as believers can discuss the harder concepts like this, and even come to different conclusions at times, but still function fully and effectively as followers of Christ without knowing all the answers to the trivial stuff.

In any case, I think that what this verse boils down to is to ask the question: what is God&#039;s will for me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I realize that was not your intent. It is a blessed thing that our faith is not a &#8220;to-do&#8221; list, but rather a living breathing relationship with God. That is a big part of what separates us from the rest of the world. I know the whole &#8220;relationship, not religion&#8221; thing has been beaten to death but it&#8217;s nonetheless true. </p>
<p>The whole discussion regarding the casting out of demons and performing miracles is really interesting. I do follow your logic with your four points and I&#8217;m inclined to agree. According to my understanding of the Bible, #3 is out of the question. In light of Matthew 12, #1 seems improbable at best, and the example you used only adds to that notion. #2 is pretty straightforward-it is hard to imagine any scenario in which someone would try and lie to God&#8217;s face. I am initially hesitant to accept the fact that an unbeliever could exercise a miracle through the power of God, Him being their enemy, but I suppose it&#8217;s not out of the question. I also think that what Chris said in 1b helped to see it from a different angle: what&#8217;s stopping God from using nonbelievers to accomplish His will? Nothing, of course. That doesn&#8217;t mean that we understand it but then again, how much of what God does do we understand anyway? This may be one of those things, like you said, that will have to wait until we see Him face to face. </p>
<p>I appreciate the fact, with all the unfortunate bickering in the Christian community, that we as believers can discuss the harder concepts like this, and even come to different conclusions at times, but still function fully and effectively as followers of Christ without knowing all the answers to the trivial stuff.</p>
<p>In any case, I think that what this verse boils down to is to ask the question: what is God&#8217;s will for me?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan G.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,  I don&#039;t like the idea of Satan having them leave because of what Jesus said to the Pharisees about Satan dividing his kingdom, but I suppose it&#039;s within the realm of possibility.

Your &quot;1b&quot; answer is what I think is likely as good an explanation as I&#039;ll get on this one - that is, that God used these unregenerate men to benefit the exorcised person despite their nature. It still doesn&#039;t &quot;feel&quot; right, but there are some things I suppose we&#039;ll have to wait on God to give us a final answer on someday. 

Good point on fruits. I tend to think it&#039;s both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,  I don&#8217;t like the idea of Satan having them leave because of what Jesus said to the Pharisees about Satan dividing his kingdom, but I suppose it&#8217;s within the realm of possibility.</p>
<p>Your &#8220;1b&#8221; answer is what I think is likely as good an explanation as I&#8217;ll get on this one &#8211; that is, that God used these unregenerate men to benefit the exorcised person despite their nature. It still doesn&#8217;t &#8220;feel&#8221; right, but there are some things I suppose we&#8217;ll have to wait on God to give us a final answer on someday. </p>
<p>Good point on fruits. I tend to think it&#8217;s both.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Blackford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Blackford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things jump to my mind about this and they are more comments/questions than answers really.

1: Judas was never accredited for doing any signs specifically yet scriptures does state that &quot;the disciples&quot; performed signs and cast out demons.  I personally think it&#039;s safe to assume that Judas did do some signs and wonders.  He obviously was not a believer nor did he become one and lose his salvation (your assessment is 100% on that issue).  How did he performs these things?
        a. Can Satan himself command his demons?  Perhaps Satan himself (or the upper echelon of his regime, if there is such) could command other demons, thus &quot;casting&quot; them out of people without the power of God.  That&#039;s more of a thought nugget than an answer really.
        b. If God can/does command even the demons, could it be said that God used others/non-believers, to accomplish His will?  In regards to exorcism?

2: Jesus said, &quot;You will know them by their fruits&quot; in regards to false prophets, etc, but he also said the same thing about believers.  And I believe it is in John 14-15 that he specifically says that they will know us by our fruits which I believe is addressed later as our &quot;love for one another&quot;.  So I guess the question boils down to the definition of &quot;fruit&quot;.  Is it these miraculous signs or is it more in line with Paul&#039;s &quot;Fruits of the Spirit&quot;?
Like I said, more questions/comments than answers but that&#039;s what came to my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things jump to my mind about this and they are more comments/questions than answers really.</p>
<p>1: Judas was never accredited for doing any signs specifically yet scriptures does state that &#8220;the disciples&#8221; performed signs and cast out demons.  I personally think it&#8217;s safe to assume that Judas did do some signs and wonders.  He obviously was not a believer nor did he become one and lose his salvation (your assessment is 100% on that issue).  How did he performs these things?<br />
        a. Can Satan himself command his demons?  Perhaps Satan himself (or the upper echelon of his regime, if there is such) could command other demons, thus &#8220;casting&#8221; them out of people without the power of God.  That&#8217;s more of a thought nugget than an answer really.<br />
        b. If God can/does command even the demons, could it be said that God used others/non-believers, to accomplish His will?  In regards to exorcism?</p>
<p>2: Jesus said, &#8220;You will know them by their fruits&#8221; in regards to false prophets, etc, but he also said the same thing about believers.  And I believe it is in John 14-15 that he specifically says that they will know us by our fruits which I believe is addressed later as our &#8220;love for one another&#8221;.  So I guess the question boils down to the definition of &#8220;fruit&#8221;.  Is it these miraculous signs or is it more in line with Paul&#8217;s &#8220;Fruits of the Spirit&#8221;?<br />
Like I said, more questions/comments than answers but that&#8217;s what came to my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply Jeremy. I should be clear that I don&#039;t intend to try and scare people with this passage, that&#039;s not what it&#039;s there for; it&#039;s clearly teaching an object lesson about how  your works and words are not enough apart from the gift of regeneration given us by God, and we can be assured and comforted in the finality and security of that gift. It&#039;s just a little troubling to see that people can be so assured of their salvation by looking only at their works and deeds that they would stand before God and hear &quot;I never knew you.&quot; Thankfully we have more than just a to-do list from God!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply Jeremy. I should be clear that I don&#8217;t intend to try and scare people with this passage, that&#8217;s not what it&#8217;s there for; it&#8217;s clearly teaching an object lesson about how  your works and words are not enough apart from the gift of regeneration given us by God, and we can be assured and comforted in the finality and security of that gift. It&#8217;s just a little troubling to see that people can be so assured of their salvation by looking only at their works and deeds that they would stand before God and hear &#8220;I never knew you.&#8221; Thankfully we have more than just a to-do list from God!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t feel confident enough in my knowledge of the Scripture to even start thinking about forming my own opinions on this verse, but thanks a lot for posting it. You have some great thoughts here and I think that if there&#039;s one verse in the Bible that we as Christians must understand, it very may well be this one. It is truly a terrifying verse. It has also made me reflect on how I live my life and realize how often I compromise the standard every day. My best &quot;Christianity&quot; is not even close to good enough. 

Thoroughly enjoy your blog. I just may sit down with my pastor sometime and talk this verse over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t feel confident enough in my knowledge of the Scripture to even start thinking about forming my own opinions on this verse, but thanks a lot for posting it. You have some great thoughts here and I think that if there&#8217;s one verse in the Bible that we as Christians must understand, it very may well be this one. It is truly a terrifying verse. It has also made me reflect on how I live my life and realize how often I compromise the standard every day. My best &#8220;Christianity&#8221; is not even close to good enough. </p>
<p>Thoroughly enjoy your blog. I just may sit down with my pastor sometime and talk this verse over.</p>
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